The Davison chart is a time/space chart and is anchored in the here and now. A Venus in the 12th House man is a sweet, gentle, kind of person who likes to help both people and animals. Couples where the 12th is strong can often experiencewell, lets say itNeptunian weirdness. When composite Lilith is placed in the eighth house of the composite chart, this makes the relationship between the two people very intense. New Classes and Courses Beginning In September! Fated, for sure, but lessons to learn, or something that we must finish? Hi Dawn, are you able to give me anymore insight or know where I might find more information about 12th house stellium in cancer planets are sun,moon,Mercury and Venus in my husband and my composite chart. Composite Saturn is in the 1st. Love for loves sake wont fly with the 12th house. Great gifts are possible if that Saturn is respectedthe power of manifesting energy into form. What to make of this? The relationship only lasted a few months but for some reason it has left a deep-seated, soul-touching impression with me. However it can create a feeling of fate sometimes, since it's also the house of soulmates and psychic connections. and he JUST asked me to lunch yesterday. Your generation, the one with Pluto/Uranus opposite Saturn in Virgo/Pisces, came into this life with a huge burden. What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? Composite Pluto in the 12th House With Composite Pluto in the 12th house, you may struggle over power and control in ways that aren't obvious. Thanks so much Dawn. mercury and mercury conj. 12th House seems to be the most frightening of all the houses to me, because the primal urge towards each other is such a deep and profoundly spiritual one, that you think, theres no way I could find this depth with another. I thought I had become delusional, making things up in my head. VENUS IN HOUSE TWELVE Venus in the 12th house cultivates a spiritually profound form of love and a desire to experience love on a higher level. A Venus/Mars conjunction in Taurus can be a beautiful thing. Black Moon Lilith in 5th or 11th house in composite chart: This . The composite chart has Sun/Jupiter conjunct by degree in the 12th in Scorpio, moon in the 12th in late Libra, and Scorpio rising. With 4, 8 and 12 emphasized, youll have to deal with one another in an emotionally honest way, no matter what karma you have to work out together. When Saturn is conjunct the North Node it can be particularly ruthless in pursuing its goals. Entering through my dreams, plenty of astral seduction going on out there in the ethers. I really appreciate your take on the 12th house; it definitely resonates as true, from my experience. A lot of native speakers make this same mistake, and worse. I found composite Saturn on the 12th house, trining the composite Sun/Venus/Merc on the 8th and sextile to the Moon on the 2nd. By the way, in progressions, you very clearly see the influence of both planets at work. Because thats what it feels like! You might have a relationship that was so intense, which left you hurting. Im trying to determine the karmic lessons we need to learn from this. They think no one cares whether they are present or absent. You have a strong synastry and a strong 1st house in the composite, and of course that makes a difference. thundered Arent these positive aspects good enough to sustain a relationship down-to-earth, telling me to forgive and try again or just simply blowing the matter worse and prolonging it?. Is it a dream come true, or a big lie? along with Juno. It isnt bad, its difficult. They are the lilith wearing an "eve mask". Dear Dawn, Thank you, Dawn. We see each other regularly in our spiritual activities, and yet live on opposite coasts, and though dedicated to each other 100% as spiritual allies (and possibly more), we have no intentions of giving up our day-to-day independence. The relationship is both a working one and personal/intimate. Are these water houses the culprits that keep pulling me back? Its part of me. I like to think of Pluto more in terms of the battle between the ego and the soul. In the second house of values, beware . Unable to forget it? The Sun person sees in the 11th house person someone, who they can spend pleasant time with. My takeaway is that the two people involved would think the relationship was hidden (and something for just them) but its not really because of the nature of the Asc Conjunctions. What do You think about Davison Chart? Thank you for this series of articles! And we both natally have same aspects, my mars is in my 12th and his moon is in his 12th also. We both experienced he physically (I think) something weird when i was very close to him and I saw something mind boggling in the night when Venus turned retrograde this year. In other words, that planetary energy might have to do with dealing with their collective, rather than personal, expression. When Venus occupies the 12th house, it highlights a more mature and sophisticated expression of love. We have a meaningful journey to take together, but we must ultimately be alone. My nn is conjunct his sun and mercury. Its what happens when a sensitive person loves another human being. We also have Sun conjunct Saturn, Saturn trine Moon double whammy, Sun conjunct North Node double whammy, his venus conjunct my ascendant, My Mercury conjunct his ascendant, our moons conjunct in aries, Sun opposite Sun, Mercury opposite Mercury, and Venus opposite Venus, all within 3 degrees. Thank you very much Dawn. I live a bliss and despair relation for about 2 years but definite we are totally different persons than before met each other (we are old enough!). In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. I have composite sun and moon in house 12 with my brother. With a lot of respect for all of your work and wishing you all the best. hi dawn:) They might not be opposed to using under-handed tactics in order to receive information or get what they desire. Sorry Shannon, Dawn passed away a couple of years ago. In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. I just met someone who has their moon in 12th house like myself and im wondering if i need to investigate this more closely. so we find the True in each other. And what does it mean our 12th. A trauma might have triggered you before, making you a reserved person now. When transit Saturn is in the composite 12th house, you may feel that old issues or subconscious issues in the relationship become more of a problem, and need to be worked on, understood, and moved on from. There is a certain someone whose natal Sun is in the 12 th, his sun also receiving a natal square from his Neptune. My boyfriend and I have 4-5 planets in the 12th house in our composite progressed chart. I dont know whether this situation is karma? Lilith square . Hi ameNow were talking about the differences between the Davison and the midpoint charts, and thats really too complicated a topic to go into here. Sorry, Natalia, I cant really comment on this in the space available. Sun and Neptune both trine Lilith, who is in Pisces AND in house 12. His sun, mercury and chiron is in the 12 house in his natal chart. However, Eros in the 12th may mean a less conscious eroticism drives the relationshipwe think we know what were doing but we may not, and may be subject to desires of all kinds. We talk with each other and I know he loved me and still does like me , we talk in the church when we can but none of us really telling the real story (which is so 12 house thing). Its hard for me to stop dreaming about this person. I put mars (Cancer) in his 12th. We feel it has a nebulous, yet mysteriously powerful influence on our lives when we have planets there, even though we cant quite fathom the type of influence it wieldsare we being seduced to a precipitous cliff by external forces, or are the demons within driving us to the edge? One is more transpersonal and numinous, the other deals with our reactions in the day to day world. ? One thing is certain, and that is planets in the 12th house dont behave like any other. This is okay, as long as we learn from those mistakes and adjust our steps. When transit Jupiter is in the composite 12th house, you may have more opportunities to come together behind the scenes, behind closed doors, when no one is watching, and in a professional relationship, this can be how you make lots of progress together. I like my husband as well after 20 years of marriage but I feel like I fell in this tragic love triangle story without asking for it! Written in 12thouse Neptunian mystique and eloquence Neptune is also in the 12th, but hanging back a bit and squaring Neptune- yikes. Please enlighten me.. Usually, when the 12th house is heavily involved, whether it be a natal chart, a comparison, or a composite, the message is to let go. I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. Im blessed to remember some past lives weve had and we have definitely come together to mend some old wounds and learn to forgive and love one another. I was the Sun/Ascendant person, while he was the Lilith person. HI, Sign up here if you would like to know when Dawn's Foundations e*book will be made available, The Composite Chart and the 12th House: The Ghost at the Door. One of my longest relationships featured a Lilith-Sun/Ascendant conjunction in synastry. Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! . The romantic nature of the past relationship is more emphasized which planets such as Venus, Mars, or Lilith in the twelfth house. There is also a Mars in the 12th that doesnt get really any support from anything. Outer planets have to do with things that are beyond our control. It is not so much a question of choice, more that the universe has chosen for them to be together (at least, thats what it feels like). Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. Through counseling she has discovered that her pattern of deception and maintaining an emotional distance from me stems from childhood. The love you have for one another may be secret or private, and/or you are called upon to take a leap of faith in order to be with one another. i give it much meaning because i really feel a psychic connection and a karmic fate, but again that could be just me since i have a heavy neptune but nothing in my natal 12th. When transit Mars is in the composite 12th house, you may become aware of subconscious drivers and motivators in your relationship, and this can help you gain a better understanding of one another. Now we hate each other and nothing made sense. Dear Dawn, I just see now, that accidentally I typed wrong Your name! This year in April we were introduced to each other by our mates. And it KILLS ME! The working dynamic of the partnership is in the biwheel (how do you make me feel?) The person with the most crowded 12th house in history is Ann Margret, a Swedish born actor best known for her iconic Easy Rider bike scene and starring in Viva Los Vegas alongside Elvis Presley. Am I right in deducing that this relationship is more of an initiation? This secrecy he is practising probably points to the venus-mars in composite twelfth ? When we split up I cried every day for a month. cheers:). intresting to know why its so bad. Similarly, the 4th house is used for Gemini, and information is extracted by reading it in the Natal charts. Composite north node (Aquarius) trine composite Saturn in Libra (which is conjunct his natal sun). I mentioned Juno because it has a 1 degree conjunction with the Sun. Transit Neptune in the Composite 12th House. Transit Pluto in the Composite 12th House. I met with a guy 2 months ago and when we saw each other, -there is no doubt that- we were both fascinated by each other. 8th and 12th house seem to have haunted me for most of my life , Your email address will not be published. The same person I've had mutual 12th house synastry with has sun in 12th house composite with me. Black Moon Lilith is the geometric point in the sky that marks the furthest point of the moon's orbit around the earth. Wow, everything in this article is so accurate + written so beautifully. Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. Only his Juipter is in the 12th, I have no planets there but also we both also have ceres and lilith in the 12th. We are just in the beginning so should I try this relationship or just let it go? One valuable lesson I learned is to refrain being attached to an outcome with him. Moon and Mars both Trine Uranus. Ive recently broke up with what was felt the love of my life the most pure and locvng relationship ever. how this would manifest? Our ascendant is also pisces but our Uranus-Venus opposite position makes lots of deals in our relationship besides the 12th and 6th house. Thank you, Tricia. If you dont like how someone operates, who cares how connected you are to them? Mars and Pluto certainly do about Scorpio. I met this men who i recall seeing 20 years ago once and a couple of other times within that 20 years. Any advice would be helpful. i dont know, looking at this chart, it has completely different emphasis, from my regular composite. Since each of us share a natal 12th house dominion, then repeated in a shared composite strength, what you have said in your 12th house explanations all seem to feel so true. do you have any clue of what this means or should i just ignore it? Reply. I have my sun in the 12th house of my natal chart, and we both have venus in the 12th house of our natal charts. Haunting thanks you very much Dawn to shed some lights on this! The Moon/Mars (Virgo) sextiles a close Sun/Jupiter (Cancer) conjunction in the 10th, sextiles Uranus (Scorpio) in the 2nd, trines Ceres (Capricorn) in the 4th, and squares Neptune (Sagittarius) in the 3rd all very close aspects. His Saturn rules his moon and his ascendant, so it is a prominent planet, and as I said, he has Saturn conjunct his north node natally. Mercury in the first is a good aspect to have because of the communication involved and the ability to think clearly regarding the relationship. With Lilith so deeply involved, this relationship has a direct bearing on your feelings about your sexual power. In synastry, the house the Moon is in will show the area of life that someone touches another on a deep and personal level. I loved him from the bottom of my heart. (Note that Jupiter is the natural co-ruler of the 12th, so it will behave in a Pisces-like manner, here.) His sun scorpio falls into my fourth house in my natal chart and mine ,cancer, falls into his 8th. We share the same dreams, communicate telepathically, had a fated magnetic meeting; we are truly best friends. Im trying to figure it out. When synastry presents itself on the Pluto/Node conjunction, the partner to the Pluto person will instigate growth, either from a negative or positive stimulus. No one could share that kind of information with a person that he/she newly know. I have 3 planets in my natal chart in 12th house (mercury,sun,mars) and we have 2 planets,which are identical in my natal(mercury and sun), in the composite chart in 12th house with someone who i talked for 6 months but we never dated.We also have our moon in pisces in 6th house. Thank you. Although Im aware this is only an illusion of my mind and nothing else , this illusion is so strong and so frequent that I ve at least learned to live with it and Ive given up struggling against it. thank you for post! the davison chart also has our moon, venus, saturn and uranus in the 1st. Your email address will not be published. Lilith (M) 5 58' Leo . We feel that very beautiful in our life! MUCH APPRICIATED- i am forever greatful for your insights. Thanks a lot Dawn, now I understand it. Good luck. But also to wound each other? Either the energy of the planet is lost, confused, diffused and (at least in our early years) ineffective, or the planet can completely embody its archetype for all to see, often after overcoming great difficulties and reversals, sometimes in extreme circumstances. Lilith in 12th House, Black Moon Lilith In Twelfth House; 1 Angel Number, 1 Angel Number Twin Flame. It isnt every case that the couple with a strong 12th house will break up. I am 38 years old and have a Scorpio 12th house stellium (Sun, Moon, Mars, Mercury, and Neptune) so I am painfully, and blissfully, intimately aware of this energy. But there will be some crisis where they have to define their love and anchor it some useful purpose. I have forgotten to say, as for HIS Lilith, its conjunct my Desc (orb -1) which is an interaspect I cant give meaning to, (too hard to analyse for me) but however, it also is a new lilith matter. It's time for the wave to return to the ocean. She says that she has been uncertain about her attraction to me from the beginning and is just really confused because she does love me. Then we hurt each other. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for.]. In reality, 12th house people tend to believe it doesn't matter what they do. We met one day and it was ON, mutual, and understood without saying word. Gilly. I had a karmic relationship with a guy for 6 years which ended badly. We could look at each other and read one anothers minds, but not in a way where you hear words or anything. The Sun in 11th house synastry overlay creates an atmosphere of friendship between you. We fall, and find the world. I need help! In the Davison, we have Saturn, Moon, Pluto, and Venus Conjunct in the 12th house. What do you think? Is it possible that 2 people with so much 12th/water house activity; both within synastry and composite, there is any hope for them to just be normal and happy together without karma or something else getting in the way? It usually indicates that there is something karmic surrounding that planet that needs fixingit is, in a prior life, something that was missed or misused between them. Both of us are on a spiritual path, which is very important to each of us. IP . Hi Daw Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. Much of the time, putting faith in one another brings you joy. This person and I believe were soulmates, and I would go further to say were twin flames as we share some many parallels in our lives, similarities, and all the other strange features of a twin flame relationship as describe by many. Such a great article! As a 12th house person, I finally realized I enjoy the confusion. Eventually, some of their views may clash and this can . Mysterious things attract you. We go down a lot of wrong alleyways. The feelings I have are much deeper than lust and infatuation. Even the sexual draw of 8th house connections can be replaced by more of them down the road, or by the excitement of the 5th. clearly the 1st has the most planets, but you said the sun was the essence of the chart,its in scorpio in the 12 house. What should i do? Your post was seemed most fitting for a romantic liaison. The interesting thing is that we have a very unconventional relationship, mainly as friends and close allies in a spiritual cause (with the mission of saving the world, essentially), but with a new dimension of intense emotional and physical intimacy. We have a composite Pisces Ascendant (3) with a Pisces Saturn in 12 conjunct Ascendant. I herd that the good connections between the 1st house rulers and 7 th rulers are so important an the good saturn aspects also. Yes There is a higher purpose to these relationships. Saturn, NN, and Sun exact at 28 degrees, opposite Chiron Rx in Cancer. Like individuals with 12th house planets, couples with a lot of twelfth house may feel that there is something fated about their lives together. This house is deeply spiritual by nature, as it is a composite of all the other houses. Learn More. Juno is not only about romantic partnerships, but has to do with equality in general. Just a knowing if you will. Required fields are marked *, Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. Lilith may help 12th house to bring their subconscious patterns to light, or do the opposite and evoke more fear. Reading Nessus in the houses and signs can provide an individual with different implications. He told me he had butterflies I did too.his nn is conjunct my ascendant. You could unknowingly absorb all types of pain from the collective unconscious, making it difficult for you to be a member of the world. Dawn, thank you for writing this article. When transit Pluto is in the composite 12th house, you may feel more powerful and connected in the relationship when its just the two of you, behind closed doors, no one to bother. Lilith in 8 th house composite. But exploring worlds during sex, soul bonding, feeling understood at a deep level, feeling at home in the spirit of the world, higher purpose together, channeling together, these are all things ive felt with my boyfriend and our 12th house energies. I mean, for the 2 people IN the relationship it will be a very impactful connection, but even other people will take notice of this pairing. They have an inner urge to help others but don't know how to help themselves or ask for support. Anything different there? I am a pisces sun, mercury, mars. Aspects to composite planets will fill in the details. Oh the powers of the 12th house. We need strong, healthy egos to accomplish what weve come to do in this life, but we need to act according to what is wanted of us, not against it. Greetings. With Libra in 12th House, your past life may not be that pleasant. All that subconscious provoking of each other is very much a full time job and its preventing me from being successful in life and meeting a man that can offer the support i need to really fly. Something is whispering in their ears. Im sorry to hear your story. Bonus points if the Sun and Moon are conjunct. We have an interesting stellium in the 6th Uranus, Eros, Ceres, and Vertex all within a degree of each other. And here is why: my sun, mercury and venus and chiron is in th e 12th natal house. Planets in the 12th can behave in one of several ways. Moon in Aries/7th, Saturn in the 5th/Aquarius. The eight house is the house of Scorpio, and alongside the twelfth house is the most spiritual and mysterious. It isnt that theyre unhappyno, they seem to go more the extreme of bliss altering with despair. He is a pisces/cap/aquar with cap moon in 12th house. You dont want, on the whole, a composite Mars in the 12th square to Neptune, unless you are missionaries or you plan to open up a swimming pool installation company. . She becomes the energy that stands in our way even as she offers dark gifts. Besides, his vertex conjunct with my sun and oppose w/ my moon. The relationship has been on & off, again and again for 28 years. . Ive seen couples with a heavy 12th house influence utterly befuddled and bedazzled by their lives (which dont go the way their friends lives go). But venus, mars, moon and vertex in the first house in pisces. Then you have to put the natal charts around the composite, and there are a number of other techiques depending on what questions are asked: coalescent charts, draconic charts, etc. It was a complicated, intense, spicy hot love affair that changed both of our lives. :In a composite chart: What does it mean when both people have juno in the 12 House? I do all these within a synastry consulation. He seems very able to detach himself and move to the future. He is my best friend but marriage to him has been so disappointing because theres not much difference between now and when I was single. It often helps to work together on projects they find meaningful, or to spend some time doing community or charity work. Juno in the 12th means that there are unresolved issues surrounding equality in relationship and some sort of sacrifice in relationships will be necessary in order to discover that balance. Our composite has a sun and north node in the 12 th house. taurus venus-mars conjunction in Your opinion? There is still a sense that anything can happen though, very unpredictable energy. Conjunct the composite 1st House cusp, it can be difficult to separate mutual fantasy from reality regarding the identity of the relationship. Yes its probably the case, but as it is unconscious, how could I manage it , or prevent myself from feeling this ? Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. Here Black Moon Lilith is squaring both Venus/Mars (12th house) and the Moon (6th house) - both the most difficult houses in the composite chart, indicating an unequal partnership. I cant stop the regretful feelings. Thats for start. great post- thank you! My mars falls in his 12th and his moon falls in my 12th. I fell onto another man after that whom I had a very deep dark sexual connection to and whom I shared a heavy 8th composite chart with. His venus also opposed my Lilith in XII., his Pluto also trine my lilith in XII. People born with Chiron in the 12th house struggle with their psyche, spirituality, and vulnerability. There are no connections with saturn to make it harsh. oh gosh do not i know this! Can you say anything on the north node transiting the twelfth house on a composite? Lilith here can even be drawn to cults. There is also Mercury in Taurus at 12 degrees, but this is in the 1st. Most of my relationships are like that . If I did not believe in Karma or Fate now I do not have ANY DOUBT that really something runs our life from out there for good or bad